Open Thread: Are We Done with 3-D Yet?

In an April 1987 essay for The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction about the then-hot topic of “colorization” (the repugnant trend of slapping computer-generated color over black and white classics, ostensibly to render them watchable to a younger generation that disliked b&w), science fiction author Harlan Ellison wrote of the process, “We don’t really need it… It’s like going to see a club act in which a whistling dog performs ‘The Stars and Stripes Forever.’ Once, it’s interesting; more than once it’s merely a curiosity. That has very little, if anything, to do with art. And pandering to the corrupted taste of a generation of kids for whom movies are nothing more than a prelude to getting laid is loathsome in every way.”

Can we all agree that we’ve reached that point on the 3-D fad? Three new 3-D movies opened last weekend (two remakes and a sequel, for what it’s worth), and all three tanked at the box office. Spy Kids: All the Time in the World opened in third with $12 million, Conan the Barbarian came in fourth with $10 million, while Fright Night came in sixth (behind the fourth week of The Smurfs!) with just under $8 million. The top spot went to The Help; in second place was Rise of the Planet of the Apes, a well-performing summer tent-pole movie that is continuing to bring in audiences with solid word-of-mouth; it’s a genuinely good movie, people are telling each other, with interesting characters and a script that does not appear to have been written by seven-year-olds. You know what else ROTPOTA has going for it? It’s not in 3-D.

The curiosity factor is over; it’s a gimmick, a distraction, a nakedly greedy grab for the crumbs of ticket surcharges by cash-strapped exhibitors (along with IMAX and faux-IMAX and “RPX,” whatever the hell that is). That once-serious filmmakers like James Cameron and Ridley Scott have gone all-in on such a crass and frankly frivolous gizmo is depressing (if unsurprising). This is an open thread, so if you are a 3-D lover, please help us understand: what is the appeal? What does it actually add?

On a recent episode of WTF, Marc Maron asked an arrestingly simple question about 3-D: “What’s the best thing that can happen? You go, ‘Whoa,’ and you lean back a little bit. That’s the best that can happen.” We thought of that moment often while watching Fright Night, a perfectly acceptable and frequently entertaining little vampire flick (seriously, it’s actually worth seeing, if for not other reason than for Colin Farrell’s wickedly menacing yet wryly comic performance) that occasionally has to slam on its narrative brakes so that Christopher Mintz-Plasse can throw a rock through a window or Farrell can throw a pebble at David Tennant, which then comes at the audience via the magic of 3-D, and then we can go “Whoa” and lean back a little bit.

The price that’s paid for those moments of utterly negligible interaction is that the inevitable darkening effect of the 3-D projection and glasses frequently renders the movie — which, understandably, takes place primarily in dusk and darkness—into a muddy, dim mess. (And let’s not even get into the theaters that leave the 3-D lenses on for screenings of 2-D films, reducing the brightness of the image by 50 percent or more.) The same phenomenon was widely reported at 3-D screenings of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows, Part 2 (your author saw it, thankfully, in good old fashioned two dimensions), another film whose mood and atmosphere is considerably attached to its expert use of darkness and shadow, which are all but obliterated by the gimmick of 3-D.

And that’s what it is: a gimmick. It was a gimmick when it was first introduced in the 1950s, in an attempt to lure moviegoers back into the theaters and away from their televisions; it was a gimmick when it was first resurrected in the 1980s. In both cases, it faded away, because you can only see the dog whistle “Stars and Stripes Forever” so many times before the novelty is gone. And, proclamations of hucksters like Cameron and Scott aside, it will fade away again.

The question is: when? It may take a while, because (inexplicable though it may be) we still live in a world where the 3-D Avatar is the highest-grossing movie of all time, and where some 3-D movies are still very successful. But this summer, those have been films like The Smurfs and Transformers: Dark of the Moon, which (let’s call a spade a spade) are less “films” than they are “filmed advertisements for nostalgia.” In its opening weekend, the new Pirates of the Caribbean film did less than half of its business on 3-D screens; Captain America did worse, with only 40% of its $65 million opening weekend coming from 3-D presentations. Given the choice, an increasing majority of the moviegoing public is walking away from the gimmickry (and inflated ticket prices) of this dopey fad.

But we’ll turn the question over to you. How much longer do we have to suffer through the 3-D trend? Are we totally missing the beauty and thrill of three-dimensional filmmaking? Or are you just as exhausted with it as we are?

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[...] Flavorwire has made no secret, over the past couple of years, that we’re not exactly charter members in the 3D Fan Club. [...]

[...] It was a gimmick when it was first introduced in the 1950s, in an attempt to lure moviegoers back into the theaters and away from their televisions; it was a gimmick when it was first resurrected in the 1980s. In both cases, it faded away, because you can only see the dog whistle “Stars and Stripes Forever” so many times before the novelty is gone. And, proclamations of hucksters like Cameron and Scott aside, it will fade away again. The question is: when? It may take a while, because (inexplicable though it may be) we still live in a world where the 3-D Avatar is the highest-grossing movie of all time, and where some 3-D movies are still very successful. But this summer, those have been films like The Smurfs and Transformers: Dark of the Moon, which (let’s call a spade a spade) are less “films” than they are “filmed advertisements for nostalgia.” In its opening weekend, the new Pirates of the Caribbean film did less than half of its business on 3-D screens; Captain America did worse, with only 40% of its $65 million opening weekend coming from 3-D presentations. Given the choice, an increasing majority of the moviegoing public is walking away from the gimmickry (and inflated ticket prices) of this dopey fad. – Jason Bailey, Flavorwire [...]

[...] It was a gimmick when it was first introduced in the 1950s, in an attempt to lure moviegoers back into the theaters and away from their televisions; it was a gimmick when it was first resurrected in the 1980s. In both cases, it faded away, because you can only see the dog whistle “Stars and Stripes Forever” so many times before the novelty is gone. And, proclamations of hucksters like Cameron and Scott aside, it will fade away again. The question is: when? It may take a while, because (inexplicable though it may be) we still live in a world where the 3-D Avatar is the highest-grossing movie of all time, and where some 3-D movies are still very successful. But this summer, those have been films like The Smurfs and Transformers: Dark of the Moon, which (let’s call a spade a spade) are less “films” than they are “filmed advertisements for nostalgia.” In its opening weekend, the new Pirates of the Caribbean film did less than half of its business on 3-D screens; Captain America did worse, with only 40% of its $65 million opening weekend coming from 3-D presentations. Given the choice, an increasing majority of the moviegoing public is walking away from the gimmickry (and inflated ticket prices) of this dopey fad. – Jason Bailey, Flavorwire [...]

[...] It was a gimmick when it was first introduced in the 1950s, in an attempt to lure moviegoers back into the theaters and away from their televisions; it was a gimmick when it was first resurrected in the 1980s. In both cases, it faded away, because you can only see the dog whistle “Stars and Stripes Forever” so many times before the novelty is gone. And, proclamations of hucksters like Cameron and Scott aside, it will fade away again. The question is: when? It may take a while, because (inexplicable though it may be) we still live in a world where the 3-D Avatar is the highest-grossing movie of all time, and where some 3-D movies are still very successful. But this summer, those have been films like The Smurfs and Transformers: Dark of the Moon, which (let’s call a spade a spade) are less “films” than they are “filmed advertisements for nostalgia.” In its opening weekend, the new Pirates of the Caribbean film did less than half of its business on 3-D screens; Captain America did worse, with only 40% of its $65 million opening weekend coming from 3-D presentations. Given the choice, an increasing majority of the moviegoing public is walking away from the gimmickry (and inflated ticket prices) of this dopey fad. – Jason Bailey, Flavorwire [...]

It's the quality 2D to 3D conversion that is most interesting, particularly for "A" titles that have been/will be digitally colorized, e.g., hopefully [incl. some already in color], e.g., 1933 KING KONG, 1931 Frankenstein, 1935 Bride of Frankenstein, 1939 Wizard of Oz, 1956 The Ten Commandments, 1960 Exodus, 1962 How The West Was Won, and all Star Wars and Ring titles. Add in ultra HD coming, i.e., 6x the current HD resolution [will be the best the human eye can see] and there you will have a multi-$billion post production industry, as lesser titles get 2D to 3D and colorized convertion as economies of scale permit cheaper costs. How cheap? When a 3D colorized Edward Everett Horton box set [or online/on cable] is available in ultra HD, then you will know such costs are as cheap as they are ever going to get!

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I have only seen one movie in 3D that was worth seeing in 3D, and that was "Coraline." Selick, who was a master of visuals to begin with, layers the frame, making the other world seem deeper than it is and giving wonder and feeling to Coraline's house. When she goes through the tunnel and it expands out, well, that's about one of the best moments in animation. Of course, he didn't rely on the gimmicky popping up thing or the GOTCHA moments. His use of it is very subtle and atmospheric, which I appreciated. The movie stands up in its own right as well, visually. Otherwise, 3D is just starting to seem silly. I saw Potter in both formats and it added nothing to the experience, even though Yates made Warner Bros. spend an exorbitant amount of money on it. "Avatar" works as an amusement park ride and little else. It was fun to see on the big screen and in IMAX with 3D, but all that seemed to just cover the fact that Cameron had no story to tell. (Watching it at home proved this repeatedly.) There are moments 3D lends itself to, but hardly ever enough to keep something interesting.

The "fad" argument with 3D, or with any technology, comes down to the fact that most people use the powerful new technology in shitty, unartful and gimmicky ways. Putting a movie in 3D just so that you can have a character throw a pie at the audience and make everyone lean back and say "whoa!" is indeed a gimmick, and it's not surprising that schlocky movies are employing it to increase cheap thrills and ticket sales. What better way to cover up for poor screenwriting/acting/directing? But people think almost every new piece of technology is a fad at one time or another. Mirrors and lenses were once a fad. Film, in general, was once a fad (people could put coins into a penny arcade and actually WATCH an image of someone dancing! and there wasn't actually a person there dancing! it was some kind of magical projection on a white screen! neat!) but then someone figured out how to use the technology to tell a compelling story. The advent of sound ("talkies") was once another gimmick, used poorly. Same with color. Perfect example of the difference between gimmicky use and artful use is The Wizard of Oz. When Dorothy steps out of her B&W house and into the land of Oz and it's all in beautiful technicolor, that's not a gimmick--it's a near-transcendent directorial choice to help the audience more fully immerse in a magical world they've never seen before. It helps them perceive a "fake" world of a movie in a more "real" way (i.e., "that brick road actually looks vibrantly yellow, instead of light gray!") the way the human eye would actually see it. Because color film was used so artfully in Wizard of Oz, it was quickly adopted by directors and audiences as an extremely useful tool/technology in a filmmaker's arsenal ("colorization" of B&W is a bastardized version of this that should be taken out back and shot in the head). Photoshop was once a gimmick when it was only used to make kittens eyes bigger or add brick patterns to fonts or put my head on someone else's body. But then some real artists got over the gimmicks and figured out ways to actually create images that were previously only imaginable. 3D has been a gimmick since the 50s because it's mainly been used in schlocky ways. The point though, just like color, is to create a more immersive and realistic experience for the viewer (our eyes see in 3D, not 2D). The feeling of having an axe fly at your head, as opposed to watching an axe fly at a character's head, might be gimmicky but it might create a more visceral experience for the viewer. But, yeah, that's still a gimmick. I'd argue that Avatar and maybe Alice in Wonderland actually use 3D in a way that can be powerful. The character is transported to another world and, hopefully, the viewer experiences that same feeling of wonder and awe. Despite lots of story/script flaws, I had that experience of "wow" with both Avatar and Alice, and I found my eyes were exploring the visual landscape the same way the character was. It can be distracting, but it can also be a really immersive experience that adds to the movie. I don't think anyone's really cracked the code yet, or unleashed the true potential of 3D. Certainly "Spy Kids" ain't gonna do it, but I bet some master filmmaker will one day write a film that can only be filmed/watched in 3D. "House of Leaves" (a wild book by Mark Danielewski) could be one of these--it's a book that's so dependent on space exploration and depth perception, and might ONLY work in 3D. Or maybe someone writes a movie where the audience member is the main character, and you see everything from a 1st person POV, so rather than watching Tom Cruise get into all kinds of hijinks, it's ME! A tall order, but someone's gonna figure this out someday. We'll just have to wait for an actual artist--rather than a businessperson or corporation--to figure out an evolved way to use it. Wow. I guess I really don't feel like working right now...

I love 3d. i always choose to see a movie in 3d if available. I own a 3d tv and watch as much television in 3d as i can. I also play 3d ps3 and nintendo 3ds games. I feel so much more engrossed in the imaginary world when it is in 3d. the problem is a lot of studios seem to put more effort into the 3d than the story. you need to have a good story for a 3d movie to be good, and a lot of times 3d is added to terrible movies to make them more appealing.

3D is only called a gimmick because most filmmakers don't know what to do with it. It works best on films that have lots of animation to begin with. So far, I have only seen it work in Avatar, because the script of that movie was written specifically to introduce 3D. Moving through the jungle, the fireflies, the airships and floating rocks, those are things that can look cooler in 3D. The reason that sales in 3D are dropping is that most films aren't improved by 3D. Only movies with grand vistas, a lot of animation or huge armies benefit from using 3D. I am a fan of 3D, but I would only go to films like: the Jurassic Park series, Chronicles of Riddick, Avatar, Alien 2, Lord of the Rings and the like in 3D because those are the only type of movies that benefit from 3D, and that's only if the script favors 3D by choosing the right environments, viewpoints and moves of the creatures or actors. In short, 3D is only worth watching when it is handled by someone who knows what to do with it. So far, that seems to be just Cameron.

@ Barry, I get the feeling that ticket sales doubled because screens that are 3D ready have increased and advertising is pushing the 3D like its the only way to see it. And doubled 3D revenue does not speak to the fact the the industry is leaning hard on nostalgia to keep the ship afloat. The type of films being released wide and the bluntness of the marketing and released schedule has scramble that is not the behavior of a rejuvenated industry. I think and honestly hope that those numbers are the peak because I have yet to see a film that was improved via 3D and more often that not, it is hurt. 2d film making was giving us the feeling of depth and vertigo without punching us in the face with it. The problem with 3d is that once it is subtle enough not to get in the way than its hardly worth doing.

To be completely honest... I saw Avatar in 3D at least 6 times because it is just so damn pretty. Watching it in good ol' 2D just isn't the same. After Avatar, however, the 3D movies are less than enchanting. It's getting really old really fast. Nothing is popping out at me and making me wet my pants. It doesn't even look like I can reach out and touch my favorite character/actor. With as expensive at moves are anyway, why on earth would I waste extra money to watch it less-than-thrilling 3D? I will just wait for it to go to the cheap seats.

I'm done with big blockbusters that get the 3D-treatment, not with 3D as such. Wim Wenders' 3D documentary on the work of choreographer Pina Bausch was on the opposite end of the spectrum, and proved for me that 3D can work in an arthouse setting. Fantastic viewing: you feel like you're in between the dancers. OK, this isn't a blockbuster, but it shows that there can be more to 3D than the Cameron treatment. And personally, I can't wait to see Planet Earth-like documentaries in 3D.

Barry Sandrew, Ph.D Despite these Bloomberg stats, people are still saying 3D is fading. People need to wake up. 3D is rejuvenating the entertainment industry in a down economy and will be rejuvenating the home entertainment market as well. Worldwide 3-D Movie Ticket Sales More Than Doubled to $6.1 Billion in... bloomberg.com Global sales of tickets from 3-D movies more than doubled to $6.1 billion in 2010, according to a report from IHS Screen Digest.

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