Open Thread: Let’s Talk About the Ending of ‘Young Adult’

Young Adult, the dark comedy starring Charlize Theron that re-teams Juno director Jason Reitman and screenwriter Diablo Cody, went into wide release last weekend (after hitting a few screens the weekend before), and now that it’s out, we’re again in the odd position of wanting to talk explicitly about the film’s ending — specifically about its closing scenes, which are (for our money) where Young Adult stops being a good movie and becomes a great one. Of course, not everyone sees movies within the first three days, so we’ll wait to get into this further until after the jump — where you’ll find some thoughts on the closing scenes from us, and from director Jason Reitman. So, y’know, duly noted, spoiler warnings, etc., etc.

In many ways, Cody’s screenplay unfolds in familiar strokes — Theron’s shallow, manipulative Mavis returns to her small hometown with her sights set on ex-boyfriend Buddy (Patrick Wilson), wife and new baby be damned. There’s a melancholy feel to the picture, but it is first and foremost a comedy, the laughs provided by Theron’s unapologetic callowness (it’s a terrific performance by an actor who absolutely refuses to condescend to her character) and by audience surrogate Patton Oswalt, as high school outcast Matt Freehauf.

This climax in stories like this is, inevitably, the public unraveling. It’s what we’re waiting for, like the surprise kiss in the rom-com or the wait-he’s-not-dead-YET final jump in the horror film. Mavis goes to a baby-naming ceremony at the home of Buddy and his wife (Elizabeth Reaser), lays out her plan to Buddy, and is instantly rejected. Out on the front lawn, as Mavis is still reassembling her shattered confidence, things turn ugly. What’s remarkable about the scene is how Reitman and Cody refuse to go for the easy laugh — the sequence is unexpectedly raw and painful (and then, on top of that, a little funny), the character taken seriously, as ridiculous as she might occasionally be.

I asked director Reitman about that scene, and the scenes that follow, at a press event last month. “That scene, and the two scenes that follow it,” he told me, “are the three scenes that made me want to make this movie. I think if you had just shown me the first two acts of this screenplay, I’d have been like, ‘Eh, this seems like a great script.’ But what you realize when you get to the third act of this movie is that the first two acts are really there to set you up for those three scenes. Like a magic trick. You are set up to believe that she’s a certain type of character with a certain type of past, that you are in a certain type of tonal experience in a certain type of movie, and then you hit these three scenes, and they blindside you. And that’s how I felt when I read the script, and that’s how I wanted the audience to feel when they saw the movie. I wanted them to be uncomfortable, I wanted people to cringe, I wanted to do something that I hadn’t done in my other films.

“I wanted them to look at the screen, and I wanted them to be so in the moment that they felt like they were standing on that lawn, watching Charlize break down right in front of them, and they don’t know what to say — because you feel sorry for her, you’re not sure if you’re part of the cause of this, it’s just so uncomfortable.”

The filmmakers subvert expectation altogether, however, in the film’s final significant dialogue scene. “She sits down for breakfast,” Reitman explains, “and you think, ‘Okay, this is the scene where she learns something, she becomes a better person, she gets in the car, she’s gonna go work for the Red Cross or something,’ I don’t know.”

That is, at risk of giving away the farm entirely, not what happens. But Reitman’s right — to this viewer’s eyes, anyway, that final turn is where the film’s genius lies, in giving the audience an ending that does not satisfy our preconceived notions of how storytelling like this works. It may not meet the classic, Aristotelian definition of drama, but it rings true to the filmmaker in a way that most films don’t care to admit.

“I like characters that don’t change,” Reitman says, “because I don’t think people change. Or they very rarely do, or they do by a tiny percent. I think people have revelatory moments, and they learn things, but most often they don’t change off of those things — or they change for five days. The number of times you’ve gone on a diet for five days, or become a vegan for five days, or become more conscientious about something, or gone to temple, or whatever that is. We have moments where we think, ‘Oh, I should be doing that more, I should call my mother more,’ and you call your mother for five days.

“So that’s why Up in the Air ends the way does, and that’s why this movie ends the way it does. They end with people learning things, and very well not changing.”

What do you think? Is Young Adult’s ending a sly subversion of conventional expectation, or an unsatisfying resolution to an unhappy story?

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"I LOVED those last few scenes. I loved the idea that she was on the verge of some real introspection, when she says "I have a lot of problems," but was thwarted by an insecure idol worshiper who pushes her right back into her delusions"

 

love this

Raphanimal 5 pts

I think it's a really weak ending, whether or not you like the idea that the character doesn't actually change (I don't).  

 

All that happens after her big breakdown is she has a conversation with a marginal character... that's it.  And the outcome of this magical conversation, as we're supposed to get it, is that she hasn't learned her lesson after all, because people don't really change.  That's a huge message/takeaway from a movie that was pointing in the opposite direction the whole time. The question of whether or not she grows or remains the same narcissistic, self-centered alcoholic person she is, needs to be shown through ACTION, through her DECISIONS... In other words, the film lacks an entire 3rd Act where we would see Mavis after her breakdown.

 

The ending of UP IN THE AIR is similarly terrible.  I think Reitman thinks he's being smart by leaving his films' endings ambiguous and unsatisfying, but all he's really doing is avoiding his characters' issues.  

 

That said, I enjoyed both films right up until the aforementioned endings.

 

 

I whole-heartedly agree with 'Emily' & 'Disapointed'.

This ending was perposley negative. It wasnt realistic. The directors excuse that people say they are going to lose weight and they all fail. This shows people don't change. This was not a new years resolution. She hit rock Botom. Yet in one breakfast conversation is derailed , totally not realistic. I know someone who had a heart transplant but continued to smoke, but most people quit after a heart attack. The director should have been fired. If I was the producer I would have done so. No change just a spiral to Negativity. So she just uses the cripple and drinks Herself to death brilliant! I love the confrontation on the lawn. The miscarriage suprise but then to then just to take it perposly negative so you can say its realistic Is false. She already was saying she had a problem. Then beyond Rock bottom And total negativity makes this director a bohemian snob. It's no different then the people Who get a Mohawk and say they dont care what people think. Iits you care too much. The director Perposly took a negative turn for his own insecurity about being seen as a formula type director . He should just get a Mohawk and let More positive people a movie. Producers hire this director for your movie but DO NOT LET HIM FINISH IT. A susidal person has a better outlook On life .

ClaudiaGonzagaMoreira 5 pts

i respectfully disagree. I thought the movie was excellent and realistic. I recognized myself in the character: Depressive, slightly bipolar, a bit out of touch with reality due to her loneliness. Accepting other people's opinions can be a challenge for people like that. I believe people can change but it doesnt happen over night...it takes time

Nope, this movie sucked. People don't go to the movies to see "real life." If I want to watch an untreated alcoholic ruin her life and not really change anything, I'll go visit my mother. Please. "Up in the Air" was still good because the main character had an epiphany and tried to change even though it didn't work out. In this movie, the main character did not undergo any kind of change. She suffers consequences for her actions and that's basically all we see. Even "Jennifer's Body" was better than this piece of crap. Diablo Cody is like the next M. Night Shamalayanablahlalafuckyou. Everyone loves their first movie, and every movie that follows is increasingly disappointing. I expected Mavis to change, because why else would we watch her dig a grave that deep and never get out of it? How boring.

I really really enjoyed "Young Adult" and I wasn't much of a fan of Diablo Cody's other scripts, but Reitman was able to do what he does well to the character and to the film as a whole. The quietness to the scenes is palpable. For me, the breakdown scene is fascinating. The hints of depression and alcoholism that have been running through the film are unleashed in full force and it's heartbreaking, especially considering that Mavis' drunken antics were played for laughs early on. I think the ending suits the film. Ending with the voice over of the book's ending may have been a little expected and trite, but it works for a movie that never planned on answering any questions. We don't expect Mavis to change and everything leading up to that final moment has hinted that she will probably just go back to the life she has always lived. In that way, the ending works.

I LOVED those last few scenes. I loved the idea that she was on the verge of some real introspection, when she says "I have a lot of problems," but was thwarted by an insecure idol worshiper who pushes her right back into her delusions. I especially love the contrast between the triumphant voiceover and Mavis's pathetic reality. I agree with Reitman - characters who don't change are pretty fascinating, especially since people don't usually change in real life.