Exclusive: Wale on the Real DC, TVOTR, and Balancing Content and Flow

Now sharing stages with everyone from T.I. to Lil Wayne, hungry young rapper Wale was originally bred on go-go, a percussive subgenre of funk and hip-hop indigenous to DC. Despite the capital’s surplus of musical talent, the city long suffered from a hip-hop ice age, until Wale emerged in 2006 and began a slow and steady takeover. Now, after a handful of acclaimed mixtapes, high-profile collaborations with Mark Ronson and Nick Catchdubs, and a record deal with Interscope, Wale is poised to release a hit debut this spring.

After the jump, we chat with the rapper about go-go, his hometown, what it means to be an intelligent MC, and the details of his recent collab with TV on the Radio.

Flavorwire: What’s the influence of go-go on your sound?

Wale: It’s just something that’s subconsciously added to my music. You can hear it clearly in the drums, the rhythms, the call-and-response kind of hooks. I sprinkle it sonically into what I do, but I don’t try to over-think its influence. As for who I’m listening to these days, I’d say Reaction Band and T.O.B. are two of the young bands I like — and when I say young, I just mean on the scene, because they’re roughly the same age as I am. And of course, U.C.B. We’ve been working on the album together and performing live. I’m working to get them a record deal, because I really think they’re poised to be something like the next Roots.

FW: Who’s producing your debut LP?

Wale: Whoever’s hot! I mean, Cool ‘N Dre [The Game, Busta Rhymes, Lil Wayne] have a few, but I’m working with other people, like TV on the Radio. So long as it sounds good… It’ll be a creative album — song after song of strong material, because we’re really taking our time with it. It’ll be out this spring.

FW: What’s the connection with TV on the Radio?

Wale: We just thought it’d be a good idea to work together. I mean, we’re two artists that people have been feelin’ a lot recently and when you put that together — we did some really interesting stuff in the studio.

FW: You’ve avoided being pigeonholed as a backpacker, although there’s a social consciousness in your music. How do you see yourself positioned on the hip-hop spectrum?

Wale: I think it’s important to be a well-rounded individual, no matter what you do. And I apply that to the music I make — you have to let all of you show through. A part of me is very conscious, very politically aware and then there’s a side of me that thinks about girls 24/7, the side of me that likes to have fun. That’s why I can’t be mad at an artist like Soulja Boy, or things of that nature, because if you like the club — like to throw a party — that’s part of that side of life. I had to ask myself, when I was at a go-go, how I could even be mad at anybody who’s all about creating a dance like that, because that’s where I come from: concerts where you’re just dancing the whole time.

FW: On “The Bomb” you spit: “I’m chastised / They say I’m not hood enough / Fuck it, I’m good – I just kill it with my rhetoric / A clip full of syllables / Licking off shots like the last sip available / You cannot configure my particular curriculum / Ridiculous / You niggas don’t even deserve my syllabus.” Have you found yourself negotiating a path between being intellectual and keeping it street?

Wale: You know, I don’t try to say who I am. When you’re real, it shows. It’s the quality of honesty that’s so important. You can hear it in the music of very different rappers, like Young Jeezy and Jay-Z. It’s not necessarily about being intelligent. For example, Jeezy’s lyrics are a bit more simplistic than some others considered more “intelligent” rappers, but he is able to convey what he is trying to say to a much broader audience — and that restriction itself makes what he says that much more intelligent. Same with 50 Cent. His lyrics are very easy to understand, but when you have a conversation with him you know that he can put words together in a more complex fashion.

FW: It’s like the distinction between flow and content: how you rhyme and what you rhyme about.

Wale: Exactly. That’s another aspect that demonstrates how super-important it is to incorporate an actual balance. If you’ve spent your whole life in the street, that isn’t all you know. They know about film, books, and other things — you just have to let it show in your music by striking that balance.

FW: In “Nike Boots” you rap about DC, saying “No Congressional reppers / No respectable rappers.” Does DC’s underdog mentality affect your ascent in the rap game?

Wale: I have a chip on my shoulder anyway! Just Blaze don’t get back to me on the regular… [laughs] Or Kanye West! People might say “keep doin’ what you’re doing, let’s work some time.” But when it comes down to it, it’s like [sounding bored]: “Oh. Yeah. Keep it moving…” And I always feel like it’s because of where I’m from, that they’re gonna continue to sleep on us until something happens, which is why I’m trying to act now.

FW: One more question about DC. As a teenager growing up in the city, I was exposed to a lot of the Dischord bands, a lot of DIY punk. Did you experience that side of DC at all?

Wale: Not at all — it was kind of foreign to my experience. I know it exists, but that’s about it. It’s still foreign to me.

FW: Did you feel like DC was a supportive place to come into your own as a young artist?

Wale: DC’s a tough place to get love unless you’re from DC. It’s like everybody hates you here! The only black person that everyone can agree on is Obama.

* Photo credit: Mel D. Cole, Villageslum.com

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Nice site i really like your song titles. Makes me actually want to hear something from you. Where can I get a preview?? I want to check it out. I manage a hip hop artist who has a crazy amount of talent, (I'm not just saying that because I manage him, I manage him because of his talent) who knows maybe you guys could do a calab if your styles and lyrical contend mend together well. Check him out Introduction to Rock Bottom Leave a comment and a link so i can get a preview of your music.

"Everything I do, I gotta do it from the heart and soul people gon' respect you, if your real with everything you speak" - Christian Bindah

"Some artists tell stories for recognition, See if I tell a story its for internal relief after my deepest decisions" - Christian Bindah

Being from the DC area we can’t help but to love Wale. Flowwear loves Wale and would look forward to meeting him some day. Congrats on the album!

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Being from the DC area we can't help but to love Wale. Flowwear loves Wale and would look forward to meeting him some day. Congrats on the album!

heyyy here in kansas city i'm lovin wale, i haven't heard another lyricist i liked so much in a long time!

good shit Eli! i'm glad to see this....

my man mel ( dude who shot the picture..www.villageslum.com) liked it too....

you two should build.

peace.

mike b.

Wale is hiphop. His album this year is gonna be huge. He has serious skills.

yeah good looks FP. wale is nice widdit and ucb band is ever more raw than the roots. so even if hip-hop is dead, DC has been reborn.

Being from DC (okay the burbs) it makes you proud when you have an intelligent, conscious, while at the same time a street reppin rapper like Wale now on the national scene. His lyrics are dope, his flow is crazy, mad swagger mad style. I put him on my top 5 favorite rappers all time and this dude doesn't even have an album. Who else can you say that about?

wale, what would kramer do?

good look, flavorwire!!

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