10 of Rock ‘n’ Roll’s Most Overrated Lyricists

Last week we ran a post on the people who we thought were rock ‘n’ roll’s most underrated lyricists — artists who don’t get the credit they deserve for their writing, either because they’re better known as guitarists/producers/crazy performers, or just because they’re generally underappreciated. We got some great feedback, and some excellent suggestions in the comments section, and all was very congenial. But last week’s post does raise one obvious question: If those were rock ‘n’ roll’s most underrated lyricists, who are its most overrated? We’ve taken the plunge and put together a list of the latter. Again, to be clear, this isn’t meant to be any sort of definitive list of worst lyrics or lyricists — Des’ree, your throne is secure — just those who we reckon don’t get enough scrutiny for being either a) not that great or b) not quite as great as people seem to think they are. So, what say you, readers? Are there more names you’d like to nominate? Or do we just need to join the witness protection program?

Lou Reed

Now, look, don’t get us wrong here. We are huge Lou Reed fans (even after he lived up to his reputation by being thoroughly unpleasant to us during an interview last year), and no one is denying that he has written some of the best rock ‘n’ roll lyrics ever — any single choice from the likes of “Heroin,” “Street Hassle,” “Candy Says,” or even “Coney Island Baby” would be enough to guarantee a place in the Rock ‘n’ Roll Lyricists’ Hall of Fame, if such a thing existed. But it does seem like he loses interest at times — whether it’s comically bad clangers like “Just like poison in a vial/ Hey, she was often very vile” (from “Caroline Says II”) or generally lackluster songs like “My Red Joystick,” Reed has been responsible for a surprising number of pretty awful lyrics. When he’s on form, he’s up with the very, very best. But we think he’s dropped enough stinkers over the years to not entirely merit his reputation as a consistently great lyricist.

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Context: Early 60's...Dylan is heavily influenced (Lyrically) by Beat Poetry...c.f.: the Howl, America, others - Allen Ginsburg...

Must've been compiled by one of Springsteen's Sheep

Jim Morrison, I believe, is the worst lyricist ever--besides Neil Young, of course. I hate it when writers sacrifice the thought for the sake of the rhyme and Morrison did this ALL the time. I wrote lyrics like that when I was 12! Still...he had a gorgeous voice, no doubt about that.

"In Berlin, by the wall, you were 5 foot...10 inches taaaallll." The first time I heard that, I laaauughed myself sick! What an awful lyric! lol

Why is Alex Turner not number 1??? Shitty metaphors have no place in music. Learn how to write a good melody you fucking spoilt, english cunt.

Everybody, listen to me, And return me, my ship. I'm your captain, I'm your captain, Though I'm feeling mighty sick.

Paul Banks really? Go listen to "Leif Erickson", "A time to be so small", "Specialist", "Rest my Chemistry", "The Lighthouse", "The New" and "Pace is the trick"

WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH BOB DYLAN WAHHH WAH WAH WAH WAH. DYLAN WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH TOM HAWKING WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH NO IDEA ABOUT WRITING WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH BOB DYLAN WAH.

yes tom it was meant to be amusing as an absurd image in the context of the song which get more and more ridiculous as it goes on . the irony being the mr jones' being referred to is pedants such as yourself who were lookig for deeeep meanings in dylans work all the time. i think most of the people here have already explained it enough for even you to understand so the only thing left to say is something is happening here but you dont know what it is, do you mr hawking?

Lou Reed HAS written some of the best lyrics in rock music, of course if you have a career that spans about 5 to 6 decades it's normal to not be a genius ALL the fucking time. The value of an artist must ALWAYS be compared to his best work he produced, not to the shit he delivers from time to time

Wow, look at how many comments this post generated! Clearly Mr. Hawking has done his job. And by the way I noticed that someone said The Shins are shit... and on The Shins' behalf I'd like to say that... I love The Shins and JRM's lyrics.

Bernard Sumner as a lyricist is overrated? These people on this site must not know what overrated means. To be overrated, you have to be 'rated' by some people in the first place. Very few people (hardly anyone), would consider Bernard Sumner a good lyricist in the first place (mind you, I like his lyrics, but I do not think he is a good lyricist; even he has admitted that he's not a good lyricist). If New Order fans as well as casual listeners do not consider him to be a good lyricist, he does NOT deserve to be listed as an 'overrated' lyricist. Epic failure of a list IMO.

Tankian's (System of a down) lyrics are miraculous period.

lol I don't care cus doesn't change what i like, the question is who are the most underrated lyricists of all time, who is america passing over due to so obsession with whats popular ( for that I say Harvey Danger). also some times lyricists just go with the music and you really only hear that line that you need.

what kind of a cunt says matthew bellamy is a bad lyricist? Yah go ahead and judge their EARLIEST work. hmm very pro guys very fucking pro.

this list is simply UTTER BULLSHIT

some people have woken up on the wrong side of the bed for a few years, judging by some of the comments here. the 'waah waah you said something mean about my favourite band and now i'm going to cry in the corner and hate you forever' comments are so silly.

What a terrible list. Where is Woody Guthrie. He is so overrated. Just like Hank Williams. And Bruce Springsteen. And Towns Van Zandt. And John Lennon. Because if anybody calls a songwriter great, or even gives them positive feedback, it means that they are overrated. Especially those idiots that hand out the Nobel Prize for Literature. Those retards don't know a damn thing about writing.

christ, you commenters are really, REALLY afraid of someone having a different opinion to you, aren't you?

I read somewhere that New Order would all write the lyrics together, sitting around a table and each one would write down a line. Which explains some or most of their daft lyrics.

Jesus people, lighten the fuck up. I love pretty much everyone on the list, but it's fun to take the piss. 90% of you are humorless fucking assholes. Tom, enjoyed it and thought it was spot on.

If I were to make a list of overrated writers, would it be fair to list the author of this article solely because of the line, "So, what say you, readers?" I would grant him the poetic license and not do so, as the comments have been his poetic justice. But then again, if his purpose was simply to raise controversy like most media channels, then I take it all back.

ok, dylan excepted from my previous comment. he has been taken seriously because of the folk tradition he comes out of, but still

ok, i except dylan from my previous comment. he has been taken seriously as a lyricist because of the folk tradition he comes out of, but still.

you guys are so fucking lame with all these best/worst/dumb/dumber top ten lists. who really considers anyone on your list "great lyricists". please. great musicians, maybe. some of them. but seriously do you just pull this shit out of your ass, or get your high school interns to do it for you?

Tom hawking.., simply put ur a dumbass... Wtf are you talking about... I think it's funny u didn't put jlo berber kperry and most important the no. 1 should go to fuckin Anthony kletis or what ever from the peppers... Next ur gonna write about how you forgot to mention waters.. Lennon ... McCarthy.,. Hendrix ... Joplin...

Oooh look how controversial this list has been. Not that anyone cares about my opinion, but, when you take lyrics out of context like that, you can make anything sound pretty stupid. And Paul Banks and Conor Oberst aren't overrated. 85% of the human race has never heard of them. They'd have to be rated popularly first before they can become overrated. But I do agree that people put Dylan on a pedestal.

Okay Tom, I'll give you that Morrison and Plant are probably overrated based on how untouchably revered they are, but you can't put them on a list of overrated lyricists, along with the likes of Dylan and Reed, and then not include Eddie Veder, perhaps the most overrated, self-important, blowhard hack of a songwriter to walk the face of the earth. Or Bono. I would throw in Sting too but I think most people would admit his lyrics are a joke.

Absolute rubbish list!! I mean C'MON, Dylan, Morrison, Plant, etc - ALL GREAT lyricists. Like someone else noted, these are great artists that maybe had a clunker here or there. Highly overrated, I think not. Understood by the feeble-minded "critics", definitely! It's apparent that the list is meant as a plea for attention for their pathetic site. Frankly, they need to pull their collective heads out.

ugh I knew you'd put Jim Morrison on this list. He gets so much sh*t because he's an easy target, give the poor man a break!

every writer has his or her bad days. this is one of yours.

I'm not a damn kid, 50+ in fact and I totally agree with you. I love all that 'old' music, but always felt Dylan was over rated! Glad someone else finally said it.

Whoa. Dylan!?! Have you lost your mind? There is a reason the man is known as the greatest songwriter of his generation. He's better than you or I will ever be. Pointing out a few bad lines with a guy whose discography spans decades is like pointing out the imperfections of the Sistine Chapel. Seriously, forget studying up on history, just listen to hard rain and be quiet.

This article is just another Flavorpill rush deadline piece of tripe. They slap together articles like Men's Health Magazine slaps together statistics. A fun read on occasion, and some of articles about books/music to look out for are informative, but overall you are talking about the Yelpers of pop culture. With so much room to fill on the internet as Chris so aptly mentioned above, critical opinions and the power to fling them around, are nearly meaningless in an arena where some of the most studied music critics and theorists, are considered in the same realm as some blogging alt dot jokers.

While I enjoy listening to some of these artists - I COMPLETELY agree with your criticism. Why are these gooby commentators so hot in the collar? Critique is a part of being an artist you numbnuts. Settle down already. If you don't like to hear other people's opinions - don't F'ing read them. Simple as that.

I agree with the consensus that a bad couplet here and there does not an overrated lyricist make. You should've just done top 10 worst lyricists which I think Anthony Kiedis would top.

Too busy cancelling my subscription to tell you what buffoons you are for including Dylan on this list. Think he's overrated?! Listen to 'Visions of Johanna'.

I was afraid you were going to put Bernie Taupin in there. You didn't and I thank you.

a throw-away piece. of course Dylan or Reed slip up once in a while. So did Wilde or Whitman. And, really, you could randomly pick ANY recent band and pull out some abysmal lyrics, worse than Dylan's flubs... but it's more fun to attack the icons. Whatever.

Always hated Dylan. Always will. How can anybody listen to that horrible nasal drone?

The Dylan lyrics you quote are quite funny, which was the point. You can't say: "Don't attack me!" and then post something stupid like this.

Seriously? I'd like to just point out that you picked one of Muse's oldest songs as an example. Yes, I'll admit that some of their lyrics are utter tripe (see: Neutron Star Collision, Sober, etc.) but then you listen to other songs by the exact same band with the exact same lyricist and think, "Jesus Christ, this man is a genius." Con-Science, Invincible, Knights of Cydonia, Stockholm Syndrome, and of course Exogenesis I, II and III, to name but a few. Just think about it for a second, please.

I don't even know who System of A Down is, but you don't have to be a liberal leftist to enjoy or be a critic of music. Your snide crack at those to the right is not necessary. We all have ears and a brain. Shouldn't you be sitting in the middle if you're to be taken seriously as a judge of anything?

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